For He has made Him to be sin for us,
Who knew no sin;
that we might be made the righteousness of God
in Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
How difficult is it to understand the clear message about when things happened to those involved in the process talked about here?
The calvinist formula cannot correspond with what is being said in this verse. The calvinist formula claims that God chose them (what they call, "the elect") before the world was made. They point to the logic of their imaginary system to claim that, while the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit were discussing how creation would be accomplished, "the elect" were sitting quietly nearby. When creation had been worked out, individual "elect" people were injected into the time stream in some way that the Bible doesn't describe. Eventually, God will get tired of all the reprobate trash He made that resembles "the elect" and will sweep them all away into hell. Why Jesus (Jesus is God) had to come into this picture makes no sense.
The calvinist doesn't immediately accept the picture that has been developed above. It grows like a fungus in the background of their hearts. They smuggle in nonsense by wanting to be superior and powerful and important. They read verses like Romans 8:29 (For whom He did foreknow He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son...) and fail to see that humans - all of them - are made according to a recipe that can fit into God's plan for them in Jesus. IN Jesus. Not INdividually. You have to get here before God can have a plan for your life that you will invariably resist, mess up, depart from and miss the mark if you do make an effort to please Him. When the calvinist clings foolishly to the notion of individual predestination, he inadvertently smuggles into his psychology a sense of superiority that replays in his mind like bad elevator music; "God had to save me! Thank God I am not like OTHER men...especially my brothers (Luke 18:10-14)."
This verse says that, before God could save anyone, Jesus had to come into the world and become sin for us. No one is saved before Jesus comes into the world as part of his creation; fully God and man. This is the event that is spoken of whenever "predestined" is talked about in the New Testament. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit planned it all in advance. No one is saved before Jesus became sin for us. Jesus was not a sinner and never sinned. He took sin upon Himself. He did this in time. He did not take sin upon Himself for a few people in advance...they did not exist. He took up the burden of sin at the cross. The cross happened at a specific place and a specific time. This history is written up for humans to read in the New Testament.
The obvious result of Jesus being made sin for us is that the righteousness of God is now available to humans. That righteousness is available now but can only be found in Jesus. It has always been found in Jesus but was not made available before the cross. There is not a special class of humans who automatically get in on the righteousness of God in Jesus. All have sinned (Romans 3:23) and Jesus, who knows how to handle sin, can save any sinner.
Sinner.
Come to Jesus.
Come to the Cross.
Who knew no sin;
that we might be made the righteousness of God
in Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
How difficult is it to understand the clear message about when things happened to those involved in the process talked about here?
The calvinist formula cannot correspond with what is being said in this verse. The calvinist formula claims that God chose them (what they call, "the elect") before the world was made. They point to the logic of their imaginary system to claim that, while the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit were discussing how creation would be accomplished, "the elect" were sitting quietly nearby. When creation had been worked out, individual "elect" people were injected into the time stream in some way that the Bible doesn't describe. Eventually, God will get tired of all the reprobate trash He made that resembles "the elect" and will sweep them all away into hell. Why Jesus (Jesus is God) had to come into this picture makes no sense.
The calvinist doesn't immediately accept the picture that has been developed above. It grows like a fungus in the background of their hearts. They smuggle in nonsense by wanting to be superior and powerful and important. They read verses like Romans 8:29 (For whom He did foreknow He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son...) and fail to see that humans - all of them - are made according to a recipe that can fit into God's plan for them in Jesus. IN Jesus. Not INdividually. You have to get here before God can have a plan for your life that you will invariably resist, mess up, depart from and miss the mark if you do make an effort to please Him. When the calvinist clings foolishly to the notion of individual predestination, he inadvertently smuggles into his psychology a sense of superiority that replays in his mind like bad elevator music; "God had to save me! Thank God I am not like OTHER men...especially my brothers (Luke 18:10-14)."
This verse says that, before God could save anyone, Jesus had to come into the world and become sin for us. No one is saved before Jesus comes into the world as part of his creation; fully God and man. This is the event that is spoken of whenever "predestined" is talked about in the New Testament. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit planned it all in advance. No one is saved before Jesus became sin for us. Jesus was not a sinner and never sinned. He took sin upon Himself. He did this in time. He did not take sin upon Himself for a few people in advance...they did not exist. He took up the burden of sin at the cross. The cross happened at a specific place and a specific time. This history is written up for humans to read in the New Testament.
The obvious result of Jesus being made sin for us is that the righteousness of God is now available to humans. That righteousness is available now but can only be found in Jesus. It has always been found in Jesus but was not made available before the cross. There is not a special class of humans who automatically get in on the righteousness of God in Jesus. All have sinned (Romans 3:23) and Jesus, who knows how to handle sin, can save any sinner.
Sinner.
Come to Jesus.
Come to the Cross.
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